Beretta’s New A400 Xtreme Plus – Could This Be the Ultimate Waterfowl Shotgun? Toss in a Karsten Riser and you might have yourself a totally workable solution. Discussion Starter • #1 • Apr 19, 2016. Magnum slugs from the Serbu Super Shorty were not pleasant. This is the time when you burly Midwesterners will likely question my manhood. You want a new experience in pain? The Stoeger’s is no better or worse than most of the others out there, although the trigger shoe itself is fairly small. That said, the action is smooth and various levers and switches operate crisply and without fail. The nice thing about the SBE2 is that the upper receiver is also part of the detachable barrel assembly, so you can mount a scope right the receiver, which is preferable to a cantilever mount. There was one that had extraction/ ejection issues from day one, and two that had trigger doubling issues out of the box. This is very much a utility gun and won’t be impressing your hunting buddies around the campfire with its looks. Just make sure it fits you and you’ll be very happy with it. Shop online now for a wide selection of barrel, bolt handles, pads, plate, stock shim kits and more. Your email address will not be published. I’ve taken accurate shots out to 100 yards and never lost an animal. Never had a problem with it cycling shells and it shoots just as good as any gun I’ve ever shot. As a born-and-bred Texan, I am unfamiliar with places in this fine country devoid of hills, trees, and obstructions. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. . (I have a Swift Optics scope that actually has a reticle lock feature to prevent reticle drift from punishing recoil.) Market Price: $679.99. I’ve had few DRT shots and lots of runners with many blood trails to follow, even with massive internal damage. One sight-in session took me 35 slugs due to an extremely lousy boresighting job at the gun shop – both my shoulder and wallet were hurting a bit after that one. In terms of terminal ballistics, the difference will not matter out to 200 yards shooting white-tailed deer. They both kicked like a mule out of a fairly light gun and the best accuracy I could get at fifty yards was minute of 1 gallon anti freeze jug with 3 shots. Shop from a wide variety of barrels for your Stoeger shotguns like the M2000, M3000, M3500, M3020, P350, P3000, P3500 and more. Recoil with pump guns and regular slugs is very manageable. Anyway first day on the skeet field and the gun wouldnt cycle 2 3/4 rounds. There were many stops along the way and I have 6 or 8 different slug launchers gathering dust in the basement safe to prove it. Hence the red dot you see in the photos. I once hit a 1.5 year old buck in both shoulders with a cheap rifled slug at something like 50 yards. While I am all in favor of another gun in the safe, I don’t see a great advantage over changing out barrels on and 870 or 500 for well under half the price. The Rifled Slug edition sets itself apart from the rest of the M3000 line with the addition of this very fancy rifled barrel. The downside is that you have to use a different forend for the slug barrel, and the whole assembly is overpriced, IMO. That Stoeger rig is where I was about two steps ago, only I would have put a fixed 4 power scope on it. So i bought a Stoeger M3500 Max 4 28 inch semi Shotgun on March 5th. Not gonna lie, the recoil on a 12 ga. Slugger is rough, though I believe the author to be exaggerating. Go ahead, friends. It should come as no surprise that shotgun slugs of all varieties are typically devastating to deer. The M3000 Shotgun is a working gun that gets the job done. That rail, while solidly screwed to the barrel, sits so far above the receiver — and the stock comb sits so far below — that you really do have to assume more of a chin weld than a cheek weld to get a look through your optic. Your email address will not be published. You never notice recoil while hunting anyway. Last thing they want is a problem gun in the field. My thoughts precisely. Unfortunately, I was never able to get the M3000 in the field for any actual hunting opportunities. Love it. One of my favorite slug guns was a browning bps deer/turkey special, and the remington 870 slug model with a monte carlo style stock is also a good choice. Sure enough, once I did that, my issues disappeared completely letting feeding and extraction resume uninterrupted. It looks like a gun, and for that I must applaud Stoeger. It will take all the same game, it has less felt recoil, and its terminal ballistics are better (surprisingly good, in fact – sufficient to pull off 200 yard shots). As a side note, shooting rifled slugs through a rifled barrel can plug the rifling and cause accuracy issues. The only time I’m going to shoot any more than one or two slugs out of that thing Having never shot an animal with a 385-grain projectile I was curious more than anything about the terminal ballistics. Knowing what I know now, I’d have bought 2. I have taken many deer with shotguns here in southern WI before rifles were finally allowed a few years ago, and decided that open sights, 2.75″ foster-style slugs with a smooth bore is the best way to go. A 12 ga. H&R single shot. It’s the third version of the Stoeger 3000 series autoloader shotguns. Also, the Stoeger shotgun of this review is a semi-automatic … that increases the price significantly over pump-actions as well. Buy Stoeger M3000 & M3500 Ejector Factory replacement gun parts, accessories and gunsmithing service on most manufacturers including Browning, Winchester, FN America, Beretta, Benelli Franchi, Stoeger, Remington, Bushmaster, Marlin, Sig Sauer, HK and many more. Get a youth model 20 ga. and load it with 3 inch mag bucksshot or slugs. I only took three shot’s and I was done at two. In 1903 Danish gunsmith Crister SjÖrgren developed a semi-automatic inertia shotgun called "The Normal." This is the typical chamber length for economy-price shotguns, as magnum ammo doesn’t come cheap. The trigger is on par with most shotguns I’ve fired. I happened to see the Stoeger guys at the SHOT show and they sheepishly admitted that their guns come packed pretty well with grease and that their first fix for any reliability problems is to remove the barrel, degrease the action spring and mechanism, and reassemble. This beauty is equipped with a ventilated rib, giving the shooter a quick target acquisition. 65 gr. I’d still like a slug gun with less recoil though. sst slugs are the way to go in hunting for whitetails. They perform at a much higher level than their price tag and the customer service from Stoeger is what you would expect from a top shelf gun. As a 13 year-old with a 12 gauge slug gun I dreamed of a recoil-free world. Paint them orange and they’d pass for pumpkins. Slow rounds, even when they pack a punch due to mass, don’t have that effect – they just drill a large hole. My father-in-law used a 20 gauge shotgun and put a perfect heart and double-lung pass through shot on a white-tailed deer. Surprisingly absent from both lines, though, was a smaller, 20-ga. counter-part to the ubiquitous 12. The gun did not have any cosmetic problems. Stoeger barrels for their full line of shotgun models can be found here at MGW. Said rail allows the addition of whatever optics your heart desires, but this design really lends itself well to unmagnified red-dot optics. I would dare say that 20ga makes more sense for a slug gun, anyway. Needless to say, I removed that extra recoil pad and have never again experienced scope bite to my face. Ergonomically speaking, the inertia-driven M3000 R slug gun is a bit of a trainwreck. Speaking of, there is a HUGE advantage to the Mossberg 500 series by the way: mine came with a special check riser for the butt stock that adds the height you need to get proper cheek weld with a scope on the cantilevered scope mount. Case in point: Hornady’s 12 gauge, 300 grain SST slugs exit the barrel at 2,000 feet per second. I would pay for the shipping if you need some one to take the slugs off your hands. I would love to take my cast reloads out further with a rifled barrel. I pride myself on being slightly more prompt than that. Stoeger M3000 M3K Freedom Series 3-Gun 12 Ga Shotgun with 10-round Tube. Having been – until recent years – a slug gun only hunter in IN I agree with the fully rifled barrel 20 ga w/ sabot slugs as the “deer magic” out to about 200 yards (150 is easy with proper zero but 175-200 yards IS doable if from a tree stand rest and with practice). Our price: $599.98. I agree that the Stoeger stock design doesn’t favor optics use. I bought a Mossberg 500 cantilever-scoped 3 inch 12 gauge WAY back in the late 80’s . Past that, physics catches up with your projectile and it quickly starts to succumb to gravity, negatively affecting accuracy. The most general issue was the second lower barrel is devoid of firing, especially after the first shot. Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for Stoeger Model 3000 M3000 Limiter Shotgun Plug, Orange - 33567 at Amazon.com. Folks spend allot of money and time to go hunting, etc. In general semi-autos exhibit slightly less recoil than their counterparts in pump action. I picked mine up (smoothbore) for right about $500 on sale. My 300 BLK takes deer just as well and is a pleasure to plink with! Typical groupings at 50 yards with an unmagnified red dot were on the order of half that size. It is common that this machine has got some major problems and therefore should be given a second thought before opting for it. I’m sure a magnified optic (such as Leupold) and a good sabot load could yield better results than I was able to achieve, but your shoulder will hurt getting to that point. That being said do not discount the midwest “one rifle man” to put venison in the freezer even if that man’s one rifle is a simple pump shotgun with open sights and a lot of practice behind it…. Never shot or heard of a Stoeger, which didn't have problems one way or another. 75 yards was way out there when I started and now 225 means a dead deer if the conditions are ideal. It’s not surprising – small and fast rounds tenderize meat at a significant distance from the wound channel because of high velocity induced shockwave, making it weaker; and then they tend to fragment a lot as well. Call the Stoeger Industries customer service department at (301) 283-6981 (option 2) or (800) 264-4962 (option 2) between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. EST. I’m shooting 3″ 3 shot groups at 75 yds with regularity from a bag rest. If you opt to go with a receiver mount instead of the cantilever scope mount, you’ll regret it. They make do, hunting monster corn-fed deer with a shotgun. My first deer gun was also my all purpose hunting shotgun. Both the M2000 and M3000 are 12-gauge shotguns with 3-inch chambers. It dropped to the ground and spun around a couple times. I believe the 20 gauge Hornady SST sabot slugs shoot a 250 grain, 45 caliber bullet at 1900 fps versus the 12 gauge Hornady SST sabot slugs that shoot a 300 grain, 50 caliber bullet at 2000 fps. As far as recoil goes, apply the fundamentals and it is easily bearable. simple to take apart when it needs cleaned. It hurts them a lot worse than it hurts you, so update your man card and you’ll be fine. For 3 gun I have a tube extension that increases capacity to 11. I don't care about brand names either, I want them to function reliably for 400-600 rounds /month. Best Shotgun To Buy For Hunting: 2017 Reviews. I posted pictures for everybody to see. The Best sub-$1000 Inertia Shotguns. What many people like about recoil-operated “inertia” shotguns is the very low maintenance. Sure Cycle magazine extension tubes normally will not exceed the muzzle of … If you are hunting a moose or grizzly bear, then the larger bullet of the 12 gauge sabot is an advantage. 33 Posts . Pumps aren’t even that bad; in one afternoon I can shoot twenty slugs, a substantial quantity of buckshot, and a fair bit of practice birdshot with absolutely no bruising or discomfort. So my cousin loaded another slug to put it down and “click”, he had a DUD! There’s good news though. I use mine mainly for 3 gun, but also waterfowl and deer hunting. I placed the barrel on a sandbag, chambered a round, tucked the recoil pad into my shoulder, looked through the scope, and touched off a round. I have recently moved home and acquired a mossy 500 in 12 ga with fully rifled barrel and went 3 shots for 3 deer in last 2 years. In my case it seems like I only get about 5 shots before the pattern starts to open quickly. Check to compare Stoeger M3500 12 Ga Shotgun 24" Barrel. How would a rail extending forward and a Scout scope work? The above mentioned shotguns are top rated Stoeger choices. If you’ve never shot 11 rounds of 12 gauge as fast as you can draw a bead and pull the trigger, you’re missing out. Once I cleaned the grease out of the action and applied a lightweight oil, things got much better. On the reliability front, I managed to induce several failures to feed and eject early on. The Stoeger 3000 shotgun has the look and feel of a more expensive automatic, with the same functionality. No use for 3″ slugs though. The mount just screws on, so it looks like you could flip it around for a scout scope setup. The entire path was covered in blood. Up there, a misplaced shot during deer season can travel miles, or so I’ve been told. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Up next for me is the Stoeger … As someone who has hunted deer with a shotgun for several years, I can attest to the effectiveness of a shotgun slug on whitetails. Stoeger 3500 cycling problem. (Burris Droptine scope and rings not included. Longest shot was 197 yards and closest was an in the brush jump-shot at about 12 yards. It was a thing of beauty, with it’s cheap Bushnell scope, already mounted and bore-sighted. With a receiver-mounted optic, you will have to rezero every time the barrel is removed for cleaning. Never once have I scoped myself and the scope is set pretty far back since I’m only 5’8″ and 165. ), Optional features: 13-ounce mercury recoil pad, pistol grip and field stock. Nothing like a 12 gauge slug gun to teach you not to crawl up on the stock while sighting in. It’s all in shooting technique- run a pump regularly enough for some time and it will likely work the same for you. I was able to resume beating my shoulder up with reckless abandon. Then he started rearing up on his hind feet and leaping about 8 feet at at time. As a slug hunter for about 30 years this is the best combo I have hunted with. In fact, I feel like I shoot better with it. He’s using an AR-height mount with a cantilevered rail above the receiver. It holds accuracy to practical standards at the distances at which it was designed to be shot. The scope came back and put a deep gash in my forehead and it was gushing blood all over. Various people (and Hornady) claim that SST sabot slugs will deliver amazing accuracy well out to 200 yards (more than enough to reliably hit a deer’s vital zone). And even shooting only 15 rounds, I will have slight bruising of my shoulder the next day and it WILL be sore. Now we can hunt pretty much anywhere with rifles in Wisconsin so my dream has come true. Barrel Length: 24” rifled slug barrel with 1:35 rate of twist, matte finish. Then it started rearing up and jumping. Click to browse all the current parts offered from Stoeger now. you save 12%. After he did this three or four times with no end in sight, I put another slug through his neck. That is twice the weight of common .30 caliber bullets at about 70% of common .30 caliber muzzle velocities. I suspect a Stoeger shotgun is intended for people who are more concerned about a name than value. Out of stock. The movement of the action generates a counter-impulse that dramatically reduces felt recoil. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The Stoeger 3000 is a lot of shotgun for the money, but let's start at the beginning. Gun Review – Remington Model 870 TAC-14 Hardwood, Gun Review: Benelli M2 Tactical ComforTech, Gun Review: Beretta A400 Xplor Unico with Kick-Off. Item Number Barrel Length Finish/Stock Overall Length Average Weight MSRP; M3000 Shotgun 12-Gauge 2-3/4" and 3" Oh well. If I had any sense at the time, I would’ve put the money on the slug barrel kit towards a 20 gauge bolt action – that would get the job done as well as a 12 gauge and be easier on the shoulder, too. That said, this is a fairly workable firearm that can be had at a very reasonable price. Buy Stoeger Industries parts online now at the official Stoeger Industries Online Store. Anyone want several boxes of unused slug ammo? There’s just something soothing about loading up a tube of slugs and then bracing for the horrible shoulder punishment. Add in the ferocious recoil and you find yourself with a gun that will only get shot a few times a year. Market Price: $699.99. not many shotguns have done that for me. Shotguns, these days are available with diverse specifications and thus provide a great scope for people to choose according to their taste and needs. I’ve taken about ten and never had any issues with losing deer. I’ve had other 500’s before that one and still have one today. Like my friends, I began by shooting Federal 3 inch Foster-type slugs out of an unmodified 870 bird gun and progressed to the current state of the art: a Savage 220F with a 3×9 Weaver and Remington Accutips. We had foster type slugs that looked like a minie ball on roids and a round lead musket style ball we called punkin’ balls. Just use a ar15 pistol in shotgun only zone in MN. This platform digests anything you throw at it. As someone who hunts in the snow with plenty of padding, three inch slugs only hurt the shoulder and your pride when you miss (or so I am told ;)). I use 2 3/4″ SSTs as they “group” the best out of the barrel of all the sabot slugs I’ve tested to date, and all the 3″ sabots have been less accurate in my experience. I don’t even live or plan to live in a shotgun-only state; I just love shooting slugs. Since I can hunt with a rifle, I wouldn’t go out of my way to pull the M3000 R out of the safe unless I knew I’d be facing a very large, very dangerous animal. It was state of the art at the time with it’s monte carlo style stock and fully rifled barrel. gameking to the vitals works fine and a lot easier to carry then my mossberg 590. After firing a round, the bolt moves rearward but the extractor lugs slip off the lip on the base of the shell leaving the spent shell case in the receiver. For anyone who plans to acquire their first shotgun for deer hunting, I strongly encourage you to forego the 12 gauge and go with 20 gauge. If this were my gun, a Karsten cheek riser and a receiver-mounted rail would be on order post haste. Changing shims using this kit provides a customized sighting plane to fit your unique physical build and shooting style. Find a Stoeger dealer and make one yours. I never knew the limitations of an open sighted shotgun with correctly matched up slugs until I spent a spell out west in WA state hunting big game at true rifle ranges. That rail, while solidly screwed to the barrel, sits so far above the receiver — and the stock comb sits so far below — that you really do have to assume more of a chin … I shudder to think what this would do to an animal of any size. I have a well used M3000 that has developed a problem extracting shells. I tested several types of rifled slug ammo and could never get anything better than palm sized groupings at 50 yards. Every time you break down your gun, you’ll lose your zero. Drop at Heel: 2-1/2″ The stock drop is user-adjustable. There are some rough edges all around befitting a gun in this price class. This had me making wild adjustments to the scope before realizing what had happened and having to re-zero. As such, some of their local governing bodies have deemed rifles unwelcome. This is the only gun that has managed to scope-bite me no matter how hard I held its synthetic stock to my shoulder. You don’t want a receiver-mounted rail. Reader Poll: Mossberg 500 Beats Remington 870 by a Nose! Your shoulder will thank you. The most general issue was the second lower barrel is devoid of firing, especially after the first shot. m3000 12/28 max-5 28in 12 gauge max 5 camo 4+1rd. Inertia guns basically fire from a fixed breech IIRC, and so exert similar recoil to a pump. What will come as a surprise, however, is how often deer run away after taking slugs to vital areas. If using Foster slugs, stick with the 12. So, there is a difference in terms of generating recoil. West Texas is about as close as we get, and even Lubbock has some bumps in the ground. Could you still use your hand after that? We didn’t have rifled shotguns or sabot slugs back then. The trigger on the M3000 is not particularly heavy, but it does have quite a bit of mush and creep. Videos. Otherwise, I am with you on the Mossberg 500 series or Remington 870 series. Depends on the semiauto’s action type. “If I had any sense at the time, I would’ve put the money on the slug barrel kit towards a 20 gauge bolt action – that would get the job done as well as a 12 gauge and be easier on the shoulder, too.”. best part is it shoots to where i point it. He had the right idea by using a Micro, though. Alot less recoil than the 212 savage with the same accuracy and range. Stoeger Industries, Inc., a corporation beneath the extensive Beretta Holding S.p.A. umbrella of companies, has imported Turkish-made, semi-automatic shotguns since 2001, when the 3\"-chambered, 12-ga. M2000 was introduced. If, like me, you’d never given consideration to a slug gun before, know that ammunition manufacturers produce two different types of slug loads. My last range appearance sighting in my M3000 smoothbore 28″ saw me firing 40ish 3″ magnum slugs (no less than 35) to feel comfortable with a 75 yd. And my cousin put a nice 12 gauge slug through a buck at 70 yards. Be ready to follow up with a finisher. Since I live in the People’s Republic of Illinois, I’ve been a slug hunter for 40 years and have gone through the evolution of the slug hunting rig from then to now. I’ve had problems where the CSP will dislodge after 3 shots then the carrier pin will float around in the receiver and the gun won’t chamber the next round and the bolt won’t lock in the rear position. Am i missing something? Stopping power is not something I think slug hunters worry about much. The issue with the M3000R was that shooting this gun was unlike anything else I’ve ever gotten to put my hands on. It’s stiff with a bit of grit, but it breaks fairly cleanly around five pounds or so. Bolt-action slug guns are certainly capable of longer shots with sabots, but they are pricey. I wouldn’t expect a defense-focused shotgun to have a crisp light trigger. That thing ran well over 200 yards before keeling over. As impressive as the power of a 12 gauge slug gun seems to be, I can tell you that it is certainly no death ray on deer. Since you’re in Texas, put a low red dot on it, like a Burris Fast Fire, and use it for walking up hogs or for close in hogs over a feeder. Tyler, If you want some bad recoil tryout a stock Rossi single shot 12ga with a 5 round box of Winchester 1oz 2-3/4″ slugs. I managed to eek out several sub-three-inch groups which would make this a very deadly weapon when fired at the vital zone of big game at distances nearing 100 yards. Normally a long gun review wouldn’t take me the better part of six months to complete. I took it to the range with a few boxes of magnum sabot slugs, ready to get it all sighted in for the upcoming WI gun deer season. Would one of those rubber accordion-pleated ‘boots’ on the scope allow enough offset of the scope to reduce the eyebrow-bite? In other words, take the $2000 you’d spend on an M2 and blow it on ammo. For deer hunting down here in southeast Pennsylvania I use a SBE2 with the factory rifled slug barrel. I held the shotgun against my shoulder as tight as I could and took the first shot. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. You have nothing to be ashamed of with respect to recoil: 12 gauge shotguns shooting big sabot slugs at maximum velocities produce punishing recoil that far exceeds the recoil from common deer rifle calibers … including the Magnums. With a few minor changes that should set you back no more than $100 and an hour of your time, you could have yourself a fairly ergonomic hunting gun capable of taking down pretty much anything in North America that lets you get within a 100 yards or so of it. ©COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. If you can shoot all 5 slugs your a better man then I am. The receiver comes with a cantilever scope base for scope attachment and my online research indicates that you can find a base that will mount to the receiver to bring the height above the bore down to a more manageable level. And bullet drop out to 200 yards is manageable if you set your zero to something like 125 yards. 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